I wanted a ponytail without the nasty ribbon visible. It's a long time, now I finally did it!:) First take two strands from sides of forehead and join them behind as far as you want.
Use these strands as a ribbon - twist once and thread with the rest of hair. If you think the ribbon's visible, you may thread a small bit again for it to get inside the ponytail. I like that I can make wide catch of hair - the further you join your hair the looser the ponytail may be.
And this happens if you thread the ponytail as many times as possible. After hiding the ribbon comb your hair to rejoin split strands.